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Posted by siolio, 07-11-2016, 01:44 PM
Hello we are setting up our live streaming platform and as you know severs are corner stone in live video streaming. we use nimble for streaming and transcoding which is very resource lite,we are comparing providers which we will depend on. we had tested 10gbs . io and i was able to push 9.2 GB without issues and both ram and CPU resources was below 10% so we are looking for solid real 10 GB's ports with better price offer. specs: port: 10 GBs Dedicated cpu: any E3 Ram: at least 16 GB bandwidth at least 300 TB on month (soon we will require un-metered) would like to hear your offers and advices

Posted by SSDBlaze, 07-11-2016, 02:03 PM
I hope you have a big budget. An unmetered dedicated 10Gbps port with us would be about $20k per month. That comes with an E3-1230v3 with 16GB RAM Maybe we are just a little more expensive than others, but I don't think thats the case. I'll be interested to see what others have to say. Last edited by SSDBlaze; 07-11-2016 at 02:11 PM.

Posted by HostSlim-R, 07-11-2016, 02:22 PM
Do you have a specific budget? Who did you already test and what did you pay there monthly? Is it just video or music streaming?

Posted by llothar, 07-11-2016, 02:31 PM
In Europe, go and don't pay more then 4000 Euro, there are good offers for 2500 Euro now where the new backbone cables are coming to life. US takes at least double if not three times their prices. They sell their bandwith like they do their health cost - totally overpriced. Guess it's greedy capitalism, monopolism and a bad infrastructure. But if you really want to know how it feelt in the end 1990ths, go to Africa or South America. They take 10x as much as Europeans and demand the sould of your firstborn when you ask for high reliability.

Posted by siolio, 07-11-2016, 02:48 PM
I got 1 week test for 100$ Video/audio streams Would like to see offer to determine my budget is flexible

Posted by siolio, 07-11-2016, 02:51 PM
You sure it's not a typo 20000$ for 10 GB port that's price of 100GB not 10GB.

Posted by 24x7group, 07-11-2016, 03:37 PM
It is interesting to know where your visitors will come from, to decide what country or region to pick a server from. Once that is known, you can search for a hosting provider. When asking for quotes, make sure you mention it will be for streaming, as many providers don't allow it on their default plans, unless it's unmetered (and sometimes not even then).

Posted by zenex5ive, 07-11-2016, 04:10 PM
Price will depend on port usage. If you have a decent budget then it shouldn't be a problem. Last edited by bear; 07-12-2016 at 09:16 PM. Reason: by request

Posted by siolio, 07-11-2016, 04:16 PM
we would start with us location then with scaling we will get more servers for EU.

Posted by Dustin B Cisneros, 07-11-2016, 04:32 PM
You should be able to find a provider for ~$1k/m for an E3, 16GB RAM, Single HDD, 10G Port, 300TB

Posted by GorillaServers, 07-11-2016, 05:49 PM
This can definitely be done, but make sure you speak with the provider first to confirm they will allow you to move from a burstable setup to full unmetered.

Posted by SenseiSteve, 07-11-2016, 06:12 PM
Agree with @GorillaServers in that based on your own projections, you'll need unmetered down the road. Better to set up a migration path from the get go.

Posted by yesRuslik, 07-11-2016, 06:21 PM
E3 servers are good for 10G video streaming. Every server need some tuning for network adapters. Some recomendation from our linux guru: - use network adapters with queues - switch off hyperthreading - use irq tuning for faster packet forwarding - use ssd disks with sata3 ports for content Server with 10G port cost less 2000 euro in EU and in Ukraine it can be 1700 usd. It is a dedicated 10G unmetered port without overselling. You can use is 24/7 for full 10G

Posted by siolio, 07-11-2016, 06:52 PM
Thanks mate, i took a note of your quick tips! as an event based live streaming we wont use the full 100 GB port we will make use of the full port for 200 hours monthly 6-7 hours daily during which we should be serving our stream to 3000 viewers simultaneous on bit rate of 1500 Kbps as well as 1000 viewers simultaneous at 2500 Kbps so server will be outputting 7 GB at peak and i need 100% lag free from our side. so in this case you do have any custom solutions?

Posted by net, 07-11-2016, 06:58 PM
Please note that providers are not allowed to offer you their services here or via PM.

Posted by siolio, 07-11-2016, 07:07 PM
thanks for notifying and it wasn't intended

Posted by yesRuslik, 07-11-2016, 07:33 PM
If you need garanteed service - it cann't be a custom solution like 3 or 7gbps. It must be a dedicated port. Also you can take a quantity of cheap 10g servers from OVH for example and use load balancing between them. But it will a cheap solution with some difficulties. P.S. I cannt make offers here because of rules.

Posted by siolio, 07-11-2016, 08:02 PM
i got your point of view

Posted by Ticko0, 07-13-2016, 01:03 PM
I would recommend QuadraNet.com for USA locations and KnownSRV.com for Europe locations. Both offer custom hardware and network setups and support 10GE's. The realistic price for 10GE and 500TB decent bandwidth would be around $1000/month if it's dedicated and not oversubscribed.

Posted by Alex_znr, 07-13-2016, 01:46 PM
Man, where is that price coming from? it would be a lot cheaper to buy my own hardware, collocate in a well connected datacenter and bring a Cogent or HE 10Gbps uplink to it. It is not the best quality, but they charge 2800$ - 3000$ for 10Gbps (as in 3000 TB/month traffic or as much as you can possibly push if you would use 10Gbps full speed 24/7, 30 days per month)

Posted by Alex_znr, 07-13-2016, 01:50 PM
Hi Siolio, There are many providers capable to help you: Leaseweb, Voxility, OVH and others. This guys are hosting some of the biggest file sharing / video streaming projects and they have good pricing. However, I know they expect you to solve copyright complaints if there are any. Good luck!

Posted by CNSERVERS, 07-13-2016, 01:51 PM
You mentioned 6-7 hours daily, may I ask specifically what time frame is it? some providers may work out a custom solution for you if your usage period is just on their bandwidth off-peak period.

Posted by SSDBlaze, 07-13-2016, 01:55 PM
Just passing on the quote. 300TB on a 10Gbps would be closer to $2000 per month. 3000TB though! I stand by my quote on the $20k. It is a very premium network blend, I can tell you the blend if you would like. Thanks

Posted by Alex_znr, 07-13-2016, 02:09 PM
There is no point, forget about it and good luck selling with that price.

Posted by siolio, 07-13-2016, 02:57 PM
always in time range 2 pm GMT to 2 am GMT

Posted by bwbb, 07-13-2016, 03:13 PM
This won't happen with a single server. ...not even close. Streaming at 7Gbps+ I mean. Sent from my mobile device.

Posted by CNSERVERS, 07-13-2016, 04:08 PM
Do you push to 10G at 2PM all the way through 2AM? or start slowing and peak somewhere between? Is there a usage graph available from an existing server by any chance? Are you looking for US or EU servers? Where are your targeted audience?

Posted by siolio, 07-13-2016, 04:17 PM
we will start with usa location then will have eu and will scale it up. during this period it will peak for 4-5 hours and no exact time as it depend sports events schedule. it will be most busy during week ends

Posted by swiftnoc, 07-13-2016, 04:32 PM
That is pretty expensive to be fair, he could find the above for ~$500,- / Month that's half the indicated budget. Even 600TB should stay well under $1k/m with above hardware setup. Unmetered would be about $2k but such a connection you can push to 10 Gbps 24/7 and may or may not be beneficial to you, depending on your usage forecast.

Posted by NortheBridge, 07-13-2016, 10:40 PM
Out of curiosity, I checked the most expensive provider I know of (IBM SoftLayer) with unmetered dual unbonded 10Gbps uplink (you can always bond them later) - added a few things like R1Soft and VMWare vSphere Enterprise Plus, and it came out to about $2,750 for an E3-1270v3. Of course, that's with the most expensive and most reliable provider I know of. Honestly, in this scenario you'd be better off colocating equipment to a datacenter. The bill (year-over-year) will be cheaper (though you'll foot a significant cost up front). LiquidWeb has a pretty reliable network, they'll be less expensive but after that I'm out of names as I haven't seen very much.

Posted by AndriusPetkus, 07-14-2016, 01:33 AM
Well, if you need that traffic for a limited time, you will need to pay for a full line anyway. Providers buying traffic for you and when you will not use that traffic, they will not re-sell this free traffic to anyone. So I believe you should look at 10Gbit dedicated line and hope you have a decent budget for this solution.

Posted by ayksolutions, 07-14-2016, 09:58 AM
You will definitely need a fully dedicated 10gbps port for what you are looking to do. For a good network configuration a $2000/mo to $3000/mo budget on 10gbps unmetered port will be very doable. I am also not sure where you see 10gbps unmetered connection out of Softlayer for just $2750/mo. They charge $2000/mo for 100mbps unmetered upgrade on their website.

Posted by siolio, 07-15-2016, 02:56 PM
any other suggestion guys?

Posted by AndriusPetkus, 07-15-2016, 03:23 PM
2 quick suggestions: Increase budget or leave business. Share your profit with provider and hope you will find a good one. Streaming is not profitable to any provider, because internet traffic is very expensive. If it is not enough profitable - sorry than and good luck.

Posted by NortheBridge, 07-16-2016, 01:23 AM
Only certain SoftLayer Datacenters offer unmetered 10Gbps connections. For example, our original deployment location of WDC01 does not. However, WDC04 which we will be moving into later this year does. Now keep in mind that when I got to the $2750/mo price from SoftLayer I did so on a very basic E3-1270 v3 with only a few upgrades to account for any price differences. Naturally, when you are working with a company like IBM SoftLayer or have a project requiring this scale of network utilization, you should speak to an account manager. Having a professional team to help you architect a solution both at your own company and your provider is paramount to success so even that price is not set in stone. However, as someone pointed out in this thread, streaming is a very tricky subject as it's not predictable, uses a lot of traffic, and quite frankly - no one seems to have any real respect for digital goods and services and expects everything to be $7.99 (or does everyone not remember the push-back Netflix got from raising prices to $11.99). Using Netflix which ironically uses AWS as an example can tell you how difficult streaming is. Either raise your budget or get out of the streaming business if you don't expect to pay thousands of dollars monthly for 10Gbps links.



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